Comments on: Humbly suggested: You’re all wrong, always http://stateofnature.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/humbly-suggested-youre-all-wrong-always/ Where politics and philosophy meet, get drunk and make decisions they'll both regret. Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:43:55 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: exerito http://stateofnature.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/humbly-suggested-youre-all-wrong-always/#comment-536 exerito Thu, 01 Nov 2007 03:46:07 +0000 http://stateofnature.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/humbly-suggested-youre-all-wrong-always/#comment-536 ONLINE - DRUGSTORE! PRICES of ALL MEDICINES! FIND THAT NECESSARY... VIAGRA, CIALIS, PHENTERMINE, SOMA... and other pills! Welcome please: pills-prices.blogspot.com NEW INFORMATION ABOUT PAYDAY LOANS! Welcome please: payday-d-loans.blogspot.com GOOD LUCK! ONLINE – DRUGSTORE!
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]]> By: Thomas W. Hobbes http://stateofnature.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/humbly-suggested-youre-all-wrong-always/#comment-469 Thomas W. Hobbes Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:23:53 +0000 http://stateofnature.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/humbly-suggested-youre-all-wrong-always/#comment-469 Looking strictly at numbers, if every person who voted for Perot in 1992 had voted for George H.W. Bush, than Bill Clinton would have lost. In reality, however, Perot's voter base was too broad to fairly say he won the election for Clinton. Exit polling found that most of Perot's voters identified themselves as liberals and independents, who otherwise overwhelmingly voted for Clinton. It certainly would have been a much closer race, but unless a full 70 percent of the people who voted for Perot would have voted for Bush, it would not have a difference in the end. Yes, you're correct when you say that some people vote against the party machines, however, among the entirety of independent voters, those people are overwhelmingly in the minority. For that matter, many people who, like you say, are upset by the party system, still identify a party because they have an issue or a series of issues that fit better with one party than with the other. Looking strictly at numbers, if every person who voted for Perot in 1992 had voted for George H.W. Bush, than Bill Clinton would have lost. In reality, however, Perot’s voter base was too broad to fairly say he won the election for Clinton. Exit polling found that most of Perot’s voters identified themselves as liberals and independents, who otherwise overwhelmingly voted for Clinton. It certainly would have been a much closer race, but unless a full 70 percent of the people who voted for Perot would have voted for Bush, it would not have a difference in the end.

Yes, you’re correct when you say that some people vote against the party machines, however, among the entirety of independent voters, those people are overwhelmingly in the minority. For that matter, many people who, like you say, are upset by the party system, still identify a party because they have an issue or a series of issues that fit better with one party than with the other.

]]> By: Nancy Hanks http://stateofnature.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/humbly-suggested-youre-all-wrong-always/#comment-465 Nancy Hanks Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:58:32 +0000 http://stateofnature.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/humbly-suggested-youre-all-wrong-always/#comment-465 If memory serves, Ross Perot was Bill Clinton's margin of victory in 1992... I agree with you that there is a difference between moderates and independents, but independents do stand for something -- they are concerned about a process that is almost totally controlled by clubhouse politics -- corrupt and elitist -- where our leaders are chosen before we get to the ballot box.... If memory serves, Ross Perot was Bill Clinton’s margin of victory in 1992… I agree with you that there is a difference between moderates and independents, but independents do stand for something — they are concerned about a process that is almost totally controlled by clubhouse politics — corrupt and elitist — where our leaders are chosen before we get to the ballot box….

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